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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jan 18, 2006 11:06:39 GMT -5
I have to say that the major problem with Pam in the first two seasons was her pregnancy. Can you imagine the way she might have contributed in the other episodes? Maybe she could have helped Ralph figure out Bill in THE BEAST IN THE BLACK. She might have been there to help put clues together for OPERATION: SPOILSPORT. Ralph would have had even more reason to cooperate in HOG WILD. In the first season, she might have been able to help more and get off third-string utility...that did not really happen until later. I think her pregnancy hurt the show in her not being able to be as effective a character until later on...and by then, people were used to her not being super involved. What does everyone else think?
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Post by missdavidson on Jan 18, 2006 22:53:39 GMT -5
I have to agree, because I recently thought that she could've done more in the episodes (although I'm not complaining totally, thank God for her son. . .I've seen pictures and he's a hottie. He looks like his Mama).
She did good work in the first season, I believe. She was able to get somewhat physical. Had she not been pregnant, she may have been able to fly with Ralph then (Best Desk Scenario, first kidnap attempt; Saturday On Sunset Blvd, the bridge/ransom scene near the end).
The second season was the most affected, she was only in the later episodes of that season, which were good too. I can't help but think what great episodes could have been written for her if she hadn't been gone then. "Now You See It. . ." was okay, but there's something lacking.
And in "Hog Wild" she could have contributed to the banter between Ralph and Bill about "communication" and "sharing" and all that, and she might've been kidnapped instead of Bill, and boy can you imagine the gauntlet that both Ralph and Bill would go through to save her? It would have made for a more interesting episode.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jan 19, 2006 17:05:54 GMT -5
"Now You See It" was a great episode, but was a little anti-climactic because Ralph let people die on the plane. And the last scene toasting Fluffy was useless...I just don't think she got a lot of acting opportunities in it because she was kidnapped sadly.
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Post by missdavidson on Jan 19, 2006 21:57:14 GMT -5
Yes. Always the damsel in distress. SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE TEAM for crying out loud!
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jan 20, 2006 14:57:53 GMT -5
That never really happens until the third season when Bill is missing. HEAVEN IS IN YOUR GENES and VANITY, SAYS THE PREACHER were good episodes where she and Ralph worked together, but it was rare, if ever that this idea happened in the other episodes when Bill was around. Too bad...she was a great team member...if only they treated her that way.
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Post by missdavidson on Jan 21, 2006 21:37:07 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jan 23, 2006 23:19:21 GMT -5
In HEROINE, I think that is why they gave it to a girl...so that women were equally represented...maybe people protested Connie's involvement over the series...meaning that they protested the LACK of it.
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Post by missdavidson on Jan 23, 2006 23:43:36 GMT -5
Yeah, but come on, couldn't they find someone, ANYONE, besides Mary Ellen Stuart? *yuck*
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jan 24, 2006 16:51:18 GMT -5
Holly started off as a great character, but they made her an idiot after getting the suit...she became too positive...and she did not think it would ruin her life, so the whole concept was now skewed and that is why it did not work...
Babs Greyhosky can ruin almost any show it seems...even her A-Team work was not up to par with the other writers. What idiot hired her?
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Post by missdavidson on Jan 24, 2006 23:15:39 GMT -5
um. . .wouldn't that be Stephen J. Cannell? (In which case I would'nt say idiot exactly. . .)
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jan 25, 2006 9:50:24 GMT -5
After she ruined episodes of the GREATEST AMERICAN HERO, he was an idiot for letting her stay to ruin OTHER shows.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jan 25, 2006 11:00:52 GMT -5
Outside of her pregnancy keeping her from being involved in some of the more impacting shows (DON'T MESS AROUND WITH JIM, OPERATION: SPOILSPORT, and BEAST IN THE BLACK just to name a few), I think the writers had a hard time figuring out whose foil she was supposed to be. It turned out that it was Bill most of the time, but that was juxtaposed to her being Ralph's in THE HIT CAR. I think that her little hiatus right when the show was becoming a huge hit hurt her chances to be steadily involved in a good way and that it might have hurt the series overall because the writers could not adapt well enough.
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Post by missdavidson on Jan 26, 2006 0:17:28 GMT -5
This is also true.
And I concur with the Idiot theory. I mean, if the chef's apprentice ruined the soup the first day, you would think the chef would've fired his apprentice, right?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jan 26, 2006 14:58:22 GMT -5
Exactly. Especially after doing it SEVERAL times. Just ask people who are GAH fans like the J-Man...and he will tell you that Babs ruined almost every script she wrote. It's amazing she was around for other TV series of Cannel's making.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jan 27, 2006 16:02:13 GMT -5
I think Pam also had the problem of having to be the realistic one with the suit and always being the one cut out. It was always Ralph and Bill doing something...and though, she was part of the team, she was usually left home to worry about Ralph or be mad at him for doing other things with Bill. I think her jealousy was a big problem because it happened over EVERYTHING...and Ralph never seemed to have any outside of CLASSICAL GAS or the one scene in IT'S ONLY ROCK 'N ROLL where he gave Pam some pants.
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